[JPL] "Nu-Jazz" from All About Jazz & Wikipedia

Thu Jul 19 12:54:18 EDT 2007

In Virgil's arena Linda you're right but he has little to do with jazz. Over 90% of his fan base are rock drummers and most of them only dream of doing what he does. I bring him up because he's a superb fusion player and a great composer. I value that creativity. 

  I also don't recall folk talking about this term "Nu-Jazz" on the list so in that regard it's not "beating a dead horse." I was responding to that writer that basically dissed jazz music. Yes indeed, someone needs to stand up to that. 

  Jae Sinnett 

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Jae...
You're right nothing "comes close" to Virgil, etc.... because this is a 
"different type" of "jazz"

Virgil and others are on a completely different level....

Just stating that it's "another " type of music that should not be ignored 
for the sake of embracing "a younger audience".

I think this subject is like beating a dead horse.

LR

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From: "Jae Sinnett" 
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> "The melodies are fresh, and the rhythms new and alive. It makes Jazz fun 
> again. "
>
> Hmmmm......well, I wasn't going to respond more about this but that 
> statement got to me. So here goes the purist in me...... I will have to 
> say this is a big pot of doodoo. You don't think what Joshua and his trio 
> with Harland are doing is fun? Or what Virgil or Vinnie are doing? 
> Contrary to what some may think there is plenty of "fresh" in jazz and 
> fusion being brought to the table. There in nothing in so called "Nu-Jazz" 
> that I've heard that comes close to that level of musical application or 
> anything I recognize as jazz or fusion. Nothing. Fun for who is the 
> question...... and much of the folk that listen to this stuff don't like 
> jazz. Period. The music is just too different so how is that building an 
> audience for jazz? It's building an audience for Nu-Jazz. Sorry folks I'm 
> just sick and tired of this dumbing down of this music.
>
> I've talked with some of these musicians that play in this style. There 
> are exceptions of course but not many. In terms of rhythm I asked some if 
> they ever heard Max do the Drum Waltz (and how long ago that was) or Tony 
> with "Emergency" or Billy on "Inner Mounting Flame" or quite frankly much 
> of jazz before 1970 and many of them haven't. So how in the world can 
> someone say these rhythms are "new and alive?"
>
> That's part of the problem....many don't know the history and what 
> preceded them and then they proclaim to be doing something new in jazz and 
> worse yet...have some in media buy into it. This is how much of this 
> nonsense is perpetuated. One day hopefully more will realize that this 
> actually hurts jazz music or any artists trying to play creative music and 
> limit the options for those wanting to embrace it....simply because it has 
> "jazz" attached to it. When you ask why is the jazz audience getting 
> smaller.....this is why. It's part of a bigger picture. That quote 
> actually implies that jazz is some sort of bad un-cool thing. Oh, it's not 
> fun anymore so now we have something fresh again...NU-JAZZ!!!! I'll say it 
> again....this does nothing but work against keeping jazz music vital and 
> historically significant.
>
> And speaking of fusion........highly recommended....Alex Argento's "Ego." 
> He's a keyboardist from Sicily. Burnin. Nothing Nu-Jazz here.
>
> Not directed at you David but the writer.
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> Jae Sinnett
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> here are a couple of attempts at defining Nu-Jazz.
> -david
>
> " Nu Jazz is to (traditional) Jazz what punk or grunge was to Rock. [...]
> The songs are the focus, not the individual prowess of the musicians. Nu 
> Jazz
> instrumentation ranges from the traditional to the experimental, the 
> melodies
> are fresh, and the rhythms new and alive. It makes Jazz fun again. " -- 
> Tony
> Brewer, at All About Jazz
>
>
>>From the Wikipedia:
> Nu jazz is an _umbrella term_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbrella_term)
> coined in the late 1990s to refer to music styles that blend jazz textures 
> and
> sometimes jazz instrumentation, _funk_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funk) 
> ,
> _electronic dance music_
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_dance_music) , and free 
> _improvisation_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improvisation)
> _[1]_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_jazz#_note-0) . Also written 
> nu-jazz or
> NuJazz, it is sometimes called electronic jazz, electro-jazz, e-jazz,
> jazztronica, jazz house, phusion, or future jazz.
>
> Like the terms _electronica_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronica) 
> and
> _jazz_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz) , nu jazz is a loosely defined
> umbrella _musical style_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_genre) . It 
> ranges
> from combining live instrumentation with beats of jazz _house_
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_music) (exemplified by the _French_
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France) _St Germain_
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Germain_(musician)) , the _German_ 
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany)
> _Jazzanova_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazzanova) and _Fila Brazillia_
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fila_Brazillia) from the UK) to more 
> band-based improvised
> jazz with electronic elements (such as that of the _The Cinematic
> Orchestra_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cinematic_Orchestra) from the 
> UK, the
> Belgian _PhusionCulture_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title
> =PhusionCulture&action=edit) nu jazz improvisation collective, and the 
> _Norwegian_
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway) "future jazz" style pioneered by 
> _Bugge
> Wesseltoft_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugge_Wesseltoft) , _Jaga 
> Jazzist_
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaga_Jazzist) , _Nils Petter Molvær_
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nils_Petter_Molvær) , and others). It is a 
> term sometimes
> ascribed to _Squarepusher_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squarepusher) 's 
> music.
> Nu jazz typically ventures farther into the electronic territory than does
> its close cousin, _acid jazz_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_jazz) (or
> groove jazz), which is generally closer to earthier _funk_
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funk) , _soul_ 
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul_music) , and
> _rhythm and blues_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhythm_and_blues) , 
> although re
> leases from noted groove jazz artists such as the _Groove Collective_
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Groove_Collective&action=edit) 
> and _Chris
> Hale_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chris_Hale&action=edit) 
> blur
> the distinction between the styles.
>
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