[JPL] "Spanish Inquisition"
Michelle Mobley
michelle_mobley at sbcglobal.net
Wed Jul 25 17:20:01 EDT 2007
Sorry Doug - But I must agree with Mike. When I read your comment I was rather
baffled by your remarks. What you wrote sent me back to read all of the
previous remarks by Mike and all the others on this subject...I found no reason
for your question about defensiveness and remark about "Spanish Inquisition"...
just a good open forum on an important matter.
Always your friend,
Michelle
--- s8nochaser at aol.com wrote:
> This Week's JPL Sponsor: Lisa Hilton ''The New York Sessions''
>
> For pianist and producer Lisa Hilton's latest recording, ''The New York
> Sessions'', Hilton assembled a group of true jazz royalty, but it took a
> little bit of luck. Hilton recalls meeting trumpeter Jeremy Pelt: ''We
> chatted at Dizzy's in Manhattan, and later when I asked him to record, he
> remembered me and agreed to play, along with drummer Lewis Nash. Recording
> on a Sunday and Monday, also allowed Hilton to work with in-demand bassist
> Christian McBride, and Steve Wilson on sax. ''These musicians, and my
> engineer, Al Schmitt, are the best: they are a 'Dream Team''', Hilton
> comments, ''and the music sounds terrific.'' ''The New York Sessions'' has an
> August release date with Koch Distribution.
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> Doug Crane;
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> At the outset of this recent volley, it was you who mentioned 'cardinal sin'
> and? hard & fast rules.
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> I haven't seen comments or suggestions that appeared in any way *sensitive*
> at all IMO.
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> Mike Schwartz/KSJS
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Jackson <eric-jackson at comcast.net>
> To: Jazz Programmers Mailing List <jazzproglist at jazzweek.com>
> Sent: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:22 am
> Subject: Re: [JPL] Want to P.D. at XM?
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> This Week's JPL Sponsor: Lisa Hilton ''The New York Sessions''?
> ?
>
> For pianist and producer Lisa Hilton's latest recording, ''The New York
> Sessions'', Hilton assembled a group of true jazz royalty, but it took a
> little bit of luck. Hilton recalls meeting trumpeter Jeremy Pelt: ''We
> chatted at Dizzy's in Manhattan, and later when I asked him to record, he
> remembered me and agreed to play, along with drummer Lewis Nash. Recording
> on a Sunday and Monday, also allowed Hilton to work with in-demand bassist
> Christian McBride, and Steve Wilson on sax. ''These musicians, and my
> engineer, Al Schmitt, are the best: they are a 'Dream Team''', Hilton
> comments, ''and the music sounds terrific.'' ''The New York Sessions'' has an
> August release date with Koch Distribution.?
> ?
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++?
> ?
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> louisx wrote:?
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> > This is all a matter of perspective. The blues is a language unto
> > itself, as jazz is a language unto itself. From 30,000 feet, Spanish and
> > Italian sound about the same, but as you dive into them you learn the
> > different words, inflections, grammar, and other subtleties. It's the
> > same with styles of music. To me, "12 bar blues" is a useless term.
> > There are so many different kinds of blues, different blues
> > personalities, regional styles, etc. that the right person could play a
> > hundred consecutive years of it on the radio and make it interesting.
> > The same with styles of jazz. The presenter is the key. Unfortunately,
> > automation not a very good presenter.?
> ?
>
> I agree.?
> ?
>
> According to Mark Gridley's book Concise Guide to Jazz. the following
> tunes are 12 bar blues:?
> ?
>
> Bag's Grrove?
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> Barbados?
>
> Billie's Bounce?
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> Bloomdido?
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> Bluesology?
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> Blue Monk?
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> Blues In The Closet?
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> Blue 'n' Boogie?
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> Blue Train?
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> Cheryl?
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> Cool Blues?
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> Cousin Mary?
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> Footprints?
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> Freddie The Freeloader?
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> Goodbye Pork Pie Hat?
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> Jumpin' With Symphony Sid?
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> Mr. P.C.?
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> Now's The Time?
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> One O'Clock Jump?
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> Sid's Ahead?
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> Soft Winds?
>
> Straight, No Chaser?
>
> Walkin'?
>
> Woodchopper's Ball?
> ?
>
> When I look at that list I see some great segues. I definitely do not
> see a cardinal sin in playing one of those tunes after another. I
> certainly don't think a PD should lose his job if makes a segue
> involving this music as the subject implies.?
> ?
>
> Eric Jackson?
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> WGBH Boston?
> ?
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> ?
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> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Crane" <dcrane at comcast.net>?
>
> > To: "Jazz Programmers Mailing List" <jazzproglist at jazzweek.com>?
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> > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:54 PM?
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> > Subject: Re: [JPL] Want to P.D. at XM??
>
> >
> >
> >> This Week's JPL Sponsor: Lisa Hilton ''The New York Sessions''?
>
> >>?
>
> >> For pianist and producer Lisa Hilton's latest recording, ''The New
> >> York Sessions'', Hilton assembled a group of true jazz royalty, but
> >> it took a little bit of luck. Hilton recalls meeting trumpeter Jeremy
> >> Pelt: ''We chatted at Dizzy's in Manhattan, and later when I asked him
> >> to record, he remembered me and agreed to play, along with drummer
> >> Lewis Nash. Recording on a Sunday and Monday, also allowed Hilton to
> >> work with in-demand bassist Christian McBride, and Steve Wilson on
> >> sax. ''These musicians, and my engineer, Al Schmitt, are the best:
> >> they are a 'Dream Team''', Hilton comments, ''and the music sounds
> >> terrific.'' ''The New York Sessions'' has an August release date with
> >> Koch Distribution.?
>
> >>?
>
> >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++?
>
> >>?
>
> >> It's all about context and the setting of programming parameters. If,
> >> as you did, program a show focusing on nothing but the blues form,
> >> that's fine. But if, as in the case of what I heard on XM, the only
> >> difference was the lead instrument, (tenor sax on the first, trumpet
> >> on the second) and the remainder of the rhythm section is identical,
> >> tempo is virtually the same, style is the same, it's simply too much
> >> of the same thing. If the two tunes had been separated by as much as
> >> a short vocal, I'd have had no problem.?
>
> >>?
>
> >> I dare say that most jazz musicians take into consideration song
> >> forms, styles, etc. when they put together a set list. I'd bet that
> >> the same thing happens when the order of tunes is being determined on
> >> a new CD. And given a choice, they're probably not going to follow one
> >> blues tune with another. Why shouldn't we employ the same
> >> considerations? And yes, you can certainly cite recordings that
> >> feature nothing but blues tunes if you choose to nitpick. But even
> >> the best of those allows for variations in styles, etc. And that's
> >> typically the point of recordings like that anyway.?
>
> >>?
>
> >> But why so defensive? I'm just making what I consider to be a valid
> >> observation. I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition!?
>
> >>?
>
> >> Doug Crane?
>
> >> dcrane at comcast.net?
>
> >> KUVO Denver 89.3 FM?
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> >>?
>
> >> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Eric Jackson
> >> <eric-jackson at comcast.net>?
>
> >>>?
>
> >>> Playing two 12 bar blues in a row is a cardinal sin? That sounds pretty?
>
> >>> serious. So what happens when a programmers does that? I mean do you?
>
> >>> have some documented proof that says something dire happens when you?
>
> >>> play two 12 bar blues? I'd be interested in that if you do.?
>
> >>>?
>
> >>> To me, more important than making up hard programming guidelines like?
>
> >>> this, it would be better for a programmer to know his or her audience. I?
>
> >>> wouldn't hesitate to play a string of blues tunes.?
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