Re: RE: [JPL] Shades of Felicano & Hendrix in the 60s. René Marie stirs it up
Jae Sinnett
jaejazz at yahoo.com
Sun Jul 6 22:21:51 EDT 2008
Ron,
I appreciate your response on this. You came in here with an opinion on Renee...as an artist...and showed her respect...even though you disagreed with her decision. I did the same and that's the way other artists should treat her simply because she didn't hurt them or anyone else...intentionally. Her decision had merit and was carefully thought out from her perspective as a black woman and her experiences living in this country. I'm sure those experiences are radically different in spots than those of the folk that criticized her here and I'm sure from their perspective not one ounce of thought was given to this point.
Renee deserved better than what Lenore Raphael gave her. And Lenore while I respect you as an artist I don't think Renee would come into this public forum dissin you because of something you did that YOU felt was important to you as an artist and person...whether or not she agreed with it. I know Renee and I don't see her doing something like that. She's an artist like you, me, Ron and others...and a good one...and deserved better than what you gave her here simply because you didn't agree with what she did.
Thank you Ron. You are always the consummate gentlemen and I simply wanted you to know that I greatly appreciate it.
Jae Sinnett
--- On Sun, 7/6/08, Ron Gill <ron_gill at verizon.net> wrote:
> From: Ron Gill <ron_gill at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: RE: [JPL] Shades of Felicano & Hendrix in the 60s. René Marie stirs it up
> To: jazzproglist at jazzweek.com
> Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 8:03 PM
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> From: "Jackson, Bobby"
> <Bobby.Jackson at ideastream.org>
> Date: 2008/07/03 Thu PM 05:40:11 EDT
> To: jazzproglist at jazzweek.com
> Subject: RE: [JPL] Shades of Felicano & Hendrix in the
> 60s. René Marie stirs
> it up
>
> This week's sponsor: Larry Vuckovich (Tetrachord
> Music)
>
> Pianist Larry Vuckovich's new CD HIGH WALL: REAL LIFE
> FILM NOIR follows his
> acclaimed STREET SCENE film noir tribute that hit #1 on XM
> Satellite Radio and
> the top 10 of JazzWeek charts. It features the first jazz
> recording of a
> Bronislaw Kaper gem from the film noir High Wall, which
> inspired the CD title.
> Other tracks include four originals, a Barry Harris piece
> ''Lolita,''
> Crusaders' funk and Rodrigo classical, plus two live
> concert tracks. Bassist
> Larry Grenadier returns from the STREET SCENE sessions for
> this CD as do
> percussionists Hector Lugo and Vince Delgado. Joining them
> are bassist Paul
> Keller and drummers Eddie Marshall and Chuck McPherson.
>
> Scott Yanow, All Music Guide, has given HIGH WALL 4 1/2
> stars. Chris Spector,
> Midwest Record, says: ''... this is a classy jazz
> piano date ... Elegant and
> earthy with a surprising amount of funk ... this is the
> kind of set you'll be
> mad at yourself for missing ... A real winning date.
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> Jazz Perspectives, says High Wall ''soars to new
> heights.'' Look for a review
> in the 88s column of the September Jazz Times.
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> I have been discussing this Rene Marie incident on another
> music blog, and I
> missed the lengthy conversations here on the JPL until
> today.
> I know and appreciate Rene as a friend and an artist, and I
> equate her with an
> earlier comment to Nina Simone. What she did is not usually
> done anymore. And,
> record companies don't have the guts to stand up and
> record these kinds of
> artists anymore. Rene had a statement she wanted to make,
> and one can argue
> whether or not she should have asked permission to do it,
> or ask to do both
> versions, which no doubt probably would have been a strong
> no. She took the
> opportunity and seized upon it. Would I have done it? Most
> likely, no. In fact
> the song is so boring and difficult I would decline the
> offer.
> We all have our opinions, and here in this country people
> seem to find it more
> important to seize upon someone singing a personal
> 'version' of our sacred
> anthem, rather than screaming about the events that are
> killing our young
> people daily.
> I respect her for her vision, her stance, and as an artist,
> willing to step
> up. And, if it makes people question what really it is to
> be patriotic, then I
> applaud her.
> I am in no position to judge her. I do not walk in her
> shoes.
> Ron Gill
> Jazz Gallery
> WGBH 89.7 FM
> Boston, MA
>
>
> I don't think this "event" is causing a
> division and I don't think this is
> completely a racial issue although there is some of that
> sentiment mixed in.
> I've shown this video to many people of different races
> and I find most people
> like it. Maybe it's the company that I keep that is at
> play here. It is a
> complex issue however that also crosses the boundaries of
> what is art and
> patriotism. The real question for me is what is the INTENT
> of the artist? I
> don't question Marie's patriotism. She is sharing
> her point of view based on
> her own experience of being an American. It is an
> interesting story and one
> that probably needs more airing out. I find the whole
> thing really
> interesting.
>
> Bobby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jazzproglist-bounces at jazzweek.com
> [mailto:jazzproglist-
> bounces at jazzweek.com] On Behalf Of Michelle Mobley
> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:22 PM
> To: jazzproglist at jazzweek.com
> Subject: Re: [JPL] Shades of Felicano & Hendrix in the
> 60s. René Marie stirs
> it up
>
> This week's sponsor: Larry Vuckovich (Tetrachord
> Music)
>
> Pianist Larry Vuckovich's new CD HIGH WALL: REAL LIFE
> FILM NOIR follows his
> acclaimed STREET SCENE film noir tribute that hit #1 on XM
> Satellite Radio and
> the top 10 of JazzWeek charts. It features the first jazz
> recording of a
> Bronislaw Kaper gem from the film noir High Wall, which
> inspired the CD title.
> Other tracks include four originals, a Barry Harris piece
> ''Lolita,''
> Crusaders' funk and Rodrigo classical, plus two live
> concert tracks. Bassist
> Larry Grenadier returns from the STREET SCENE sessions for
> this CD as do
> percussionists Hector Lugo and Vince Delgado. Joining them
> are bassist Paul
> Keller and drummers Eddie Marshall and Chuck McPherson.
>
> Scott Yanow, All Music Guide, has given HIGH WALL 4 1/2
> stars. Chris Spector,
> Midwest Record, says: ''... this is a classy jazz
> piano date ... Elegant and
> earthy with a surprising amount of funk ... this is the
> kind of set you'll be
> mad at yourself for missing ... A real winning date.
> '' Reese Erlich, NPR's
> Jazz Perspectives, says High Wall ''soars to new
> heights.'' Look for a review
> in the 88s column of the September Jazz Times.
>
> www.larryvuckovich.com www.groovmarketing.com
>
> Radio Promotion by GROOV Marketing and Consulting: (877)
> 476-6832
> Mark Rini: mark at groovmarketing.com
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>
> Jae said:
> "One could argue that if they play anything other than
> the melody on the SSB
> it's no longer the composition. That's what it
> sounds like you're saying. Jazz
> musicians do that all the time but we don't say
> they're not playing the tune.
> - Jae Sinnett"
>
> I always believed that the words to the National Anthem
> were composed prior to
> those words being applied to the music of the old pub tune.
> At least that is
> what we were taught in grade school...you know the old tale
> of Francis Scott
> Key being inspired by watching the battle while he was
> being held prisoner
> aboard a Britich ship...
>
> Nonetheless...I'll be the first to state (since no one
> else will) that the
> responses to this unfortunate event are certainly divided
> along racial
> lines...also unfortunate as we are all about supporting and
> promoting jazz
> music and musicians, not the division that this event has
> caused.
>
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